Posts by cha ching

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The only TEST allowed. . .is the test of LOYALTY in others

by Terry in

what you are not permitted to see, examine, test or question is where the magician hides his deceptions so the magic may be passed off as real.. tyranny commences with certain assumptions which are not only unchallenged, but which may not be allowed a challenge.. these assumptions become, in effect, articles of faith on the one hand, and tests of loyalty on the other.. accepting the untested leads to magic-thinking.. .

in italy during world war ii, the fascist leader mussolini was said to be "always right.

" the brutish dictator magically knew somehow.. no counter-examples were permitted to be printed, spoken, discussed or debated without immediate punishments.. in japan, the emperor was said to actually be a god.

cha ching

"Where you find a person's very THOUGHTS made a crime, you will find tyranny.

When loyalty is exhalted above proof and inquiry you will find tyranny."

" However, we cannot hope to acquire a good relationship with Jehovah if we ignore those whom Jesus has appointed to care for his belongings. Without the assistance of “the faithful and discreet slave,” we would neither understand the full import of what we read in God’s Word nor know how to apply it. " Examining the Scriptures Daily 2012 Mar 4

Avoid questioning the counsel (doctrine) that is provided by God's visible organization. Some who point out that the organization has had to make some adjustments (to doctrine) before, and so they argue: "This shows that we have to make up our own mind on what to believe." This is independent thinking. It is dangerous!" Watchtower 1983 Jan 15 p.22

***g78 8/22 pp. 3-4 Do Others Do Your Thinking? *** Tricks of Propagandists Symbols

"Tyranny of authority—all such tactics are marshaled to assail your mind and take it by storm. Sound evidence, reasoning, logic?

s deadliest foes! He therefore attempts to rout reason and stimulate passion. "

After reading Animal Farm, I can see the WTBS uses the same kinds of tactics.

'We are your leaders, we are here to help you.... How dare you speak against us.'

cha ching....

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Don't Question GOD! (aka the governing body)

by sunny23 in

did a simple search in the wt library for words like, "question," "questioning," "doubts/ing,"obey," "understand.".

these are listed in order of occurence oldest to newest (up to 2012 as my library is 2012 version).

"if we have love for jehovah and for the organization of his people we shall not be suspicious, but shall, as the bible says, 'believe all things,' all the things that the watchtower brings out"qualified to be ministers (1955) p.156.

cha ching

Thx yadayada..... Altho I do understand (the deceitful, twisted, head hurting message of the WT) when YOU explain it...

Listening to the WT makes my head hurt.

All I can say is "OMG"!!!

The WTBS are like quick change artists...

"The quick-change artist will attempt to get two or three transactions ahead of you so you forget how much change is actually needed," he said. "They'll take as much as they can get. It's like a game."

They confuse you by the abundance of words.

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Don't Question GOD! (aka the governing body)

by sunny23 in

did a simple search in the wt library for words like, "question," "questioning," "doubts/ing,"obey," "understand.".

these are listed in order of occurence oldest to newest (up to 2012 as my library is 2012 version).

"if we have love for jehovah and for the organization of his people we shall not be suspicious, but shall, as the bible says, 'believe all things,' all the things that the watchtower brings out"qualified to be ministers (1955) p.156.

cha ching

Please help me here....

When "they" say: "the faithful slave is not appointed over Christ's belongings, and won't be for the forseeable future."

Are "they" just trying to be tricky and confusing?

Translation: "the faithful slave is not appointed over Christ's belongings," "but the Governing Body is"?????

Is that what they are inferring, and holding it for future use?

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From Captives of a Concept: Gods Prophet, Hypocrisy and Propaganda used to control.

by Jon Preston in

i teresting info from caltives of a concept....i cannot express how fantastic this book has been and i highly recommend it.

the first thing i found to be huge.

(because the society trues to explain it away so well):.

cha ching

*** w1960 7/15 p. 444 par. 19 Staying Awake with the “Faithful and Discreet Slave” ***

19 the “faithful and discreet slave was awake to the coming of 1914.

In 1942 the “faithful and discreet slave” guided by Jehovah’s unerring spirit made known that the democracies would win World War II and that there would be a United Nations organization set up. Such wakefulness was concerning events that unerringly took place three years later.

At the 1958 Divine Will International Assembly amazing advance information in connection with Daniel’s prophecy was given about events to occur in the immediate future.

Such evidence of spiritual foresight is recorded for us in the book “Your Will Be Done on Earth.” Once again the “faithful and discreet slave”has been tipped off ahead of time for the guidance of all lovers of God.

Surely one’s present security depends on his staying awake with the “faithful and discreet slave.”

* Who was that “FDS” that was awake to 1914?

* Not Russell, he wasn’t the FDS…

* Guided by J’s unerring spirit... Did God make a mistake? Or who did?

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List Reasons Why You Are Glad That You Are Out Of The JW Religion

by minimus in

jw
friends

here's a few from me.. no more having to go to stupid boring meetings.. no more having to go knock on doors in field service and waste my time!.

no more mind numbing elders meetings..

cha ching

I hate hypocrisy.

I hate lies & liars.

I love to "think," .. YAY!!

I love to be me, and be free!

cha ching!!!

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A letter from my brother Nathan to my uncle in 1978 when Nathan was at Bethel

by Magwitch in

my uncle recently died and apparently he never threw anything away.

among many things he held onto was a letter that my brother wrote to my uncle in 1978 from bethel.

my brother was in the same hall as howard zenke (a real heavy at bethel) and nathan rode to all the meetings with howard and beana.

cha ching

TrueJW...sorry @ your mom... mine is the same.

Blind devotion to men who can change a story with the twist of a wrist.

I agree w/you.. Just like Heavens Gate Cult, there is always a reason that the GB are right.

The GB are never held accountable for the deep, deep grief they cause.

It is always the "telescope's" fault.

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Witnesses: Why The 1/19/14 WT Lesson Is Dangerous

by Apognophos in

today's watchtower lesson touched on the history of hezekiah's reign, and then made a surprising modern-day application.

having used my time before the meeting to research the underlying material instead of highlighting my magazine, i personally found this to be an upsetting study, and decided to put this warning here in the hopes that some active witnesses read it.. the most important thing i want to say to you is that the actual flow of events in this bible account were severely misrepresented, and that there are some disturbing implications in the distortions that were made.

1. hezekiah's father ahaz makes himself a vassal to assyria out of fear of their overwhelming might (2 kings 16:7, 8).. 2. upon becoming king, hezekiah rebels against assyria (2 kings 18:7).

cha ching

Luv this: "Ask yourself: can I really trust seemingly-illogical instructions from the organization IF....

I cannot trust them to summarize a simple Bible account clearly and honestly?"

This hits the nail on the head.. "TRUST..."

Can you trust the WTBS IF they tell you taking a kidney transplant is wrong and you die.......

THEN they tell you "it's ok now".... ??? True, very illogical... but we SHOULD trust them....

OR

IF they tell you "We are disfellowshipping you for taking a kidney transplant"

THEN the day after they DF you for taking the kidney, they "Power Ranger up" find out from Holy Spirit that "it's ok now"

They will not reinstate you until you have been DF'd for a year, come crawling back, begging, pleading, sitting silently with head bowed, repenting for doing what the Power Rangers then decide is OK now...

Very illogical, but you shouuuuuuuld trust them, riiiight? After all, like they said "obey any instructions 'you' may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not."

and, since it doesn't seem logical.... better to obey than take a chance and think!

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Free to Believe, Leave? or be Shunned? other examples of WT Reps "lying" to Public?

by cha ching in

if you think you can go to the wt and ask for a "straight answer" .... think again..... .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gipomx7wnyy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/war-of-words-breaks-out-among-jehovahs-witnesses-2361448.html.

cha ching

If you think you can go to the WT and ask for a "straight answer" .... think again....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiPomx7wnYY

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/war-of-words-breaks-out-among-jehovahs-witnesses-2361448.html

Thomas... as in "doubting Thomas", asked the Son of God for proof... holes in hands, feet....

Did Jesus say "if it doesn't sound logical believe it anyway?"

Nope, he provided the proof...

If you have the truth, you havethe proof....

cha ching...

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The eldaaaars again!!

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

after two months of not coming to my house, today about two hours ago, one of the elders that came two months ago came to my house.

he was in serve-us with other brothers from the spanish cong and came into my house with a friend of mine (not another elder).

he said he wanted to talk to me, and he said it in front of my mom and my dad (both were there).. what was interesting is that it seems like it will be a one-on-one for half-hour.

cha ching

i agree, give them nothing. You owe them nothing, but they WILL take everything from you!

You may not thinkit possible, but they do have one goal: To see if you are apostate, and if you ARE? Take you down.

That's it... Take you down. Two witnesses, and hasta la vista.

Already, they have put you in a tight spot, pushed you beyond where you wanted to be. You are explaining things to your dad, perhaps before he was ready... maybe before you were ready? Maybe you couldn't be relaxed, and had to be on the defense?

My mother can only repeat mantras "You haven't been to meetings in two years, you left Jehovah's organization." Even tho bad things have happened to me, she won't listen to me, others have gotten to her first... Those talks at the DC did their jobs... "Do you look for excuses to talk to family members who don't associate?"

I really would follow the advice of so many others and TEXT: "Can't make it today" ...

No explanation (so they can't use your "written text" against you) & can't assign motives. Then, like all the others have said, "just don't reply."

I hope it works out well for you, losing family is very, very hard. (You don't think it will happen, but it does, it has... They "know you are a good person, loving, truthful," right? )

Just text.... then drive.... drive on with your life

:-)

cha ching

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Punk wishes you a Happy New year!

by punkofnice in

jw
friends

....well...that's it really.. i left jwn a few months ago but did say i'd pop in.. i hope you are all well!.

regards paul.

cha ching

Hey! so happy to see you (tho u don't know me well)

My hubby & I appreciated all of your hard work posting (w/all the references) in the past, it was put to good use.

I even pm'd you to say "thx" (even tho you were gone) (just in case you'd check your box again)...

so thx! & happy new year 2 u 2!

cha ching!